"Try reading the actual bible and learn its principles on your own."
Sound familiar?
Posts by Dan B
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19What is the true Religion?
by deadlyskilz init seems to me this site is full of anti jehovah's witness members.its easy to point out weaknesses of others or the organization they represent.jehovah's witnesses do often with other religions.if you all have decided that jehovah's witnesses are bad people or that the organization is false,then which one is the true religion?which religion teaches the correct doctrines?which religion represents gods truth?this question is for anyone.i'm asking this question with sincerity.
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WATCHTOWER SALES!
by Kent inwatchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
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Dan B
Deadly,
"I'm not sure what congregation you belonged to but I personally have never felt obligated to contribute any moneys to the hall"
I'm glad to hear that those continual articles about giving didn't sink in. And the numerous talks about supporting the donation arrangement fell on deaf ears. Good for you.
"Further more your comment about me claiming to be an expert on the subject is false so get some eyeglasses.I never claimed to be an expert on the religion.I only gave my honest opinion."
So why qualify your post here by stating how long you were (are) a JW? You stated how long you were a JW then proceeded to list your "facts". Why did you feel the "7 years" was necessary? So we would take you more seriously?
"As much as I do not agree with your statements "
Which statements do you disagree with?
"Individuals make mistakes in "every religious group"."
Finally something we agree on. But I have a problem with a group who in one breate tells you that what they tell you comes directly from God (yes, I was told this by a committee of Elders) but when their errors are exposed, now they're just imperfect men. This double standard sickens me.
"Try reading the actual bible and learn its principles on your own."
Done it a long time ago.
"Leave the witch trials to god"
...and the WT Society?
Dan
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3 more drones being assimilated tomorrow
by Dan B inunfortunately my 3 nieces are getting baptized tomorrow.
my dad called me to tell me how proud he was of his grandchildren.
i felt a sick feeling come over me, followed by rising anger.
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Dan B
Unfortunately my 3 nieces are getting baptized tomorrow. My dad called me to tell me how proud he was of his grandchildren. I felt a sick feeling come over me, followed by rising anger. But, out of respect for my father, I just quickly changed the subject. I know there is nothing I can do to stop it, but still...
So today I ordered my third copy of In Search of Christian Freedom. I have lent the other two out to "friends" who, in both cases, decided not only to stay away from me, but they kept my books too. So here is my plan: I will place this book in a conspicuous place in my home. When (if) they come over, maybe their curiosity will cause them to pick it up and look at it. Any other actions on my part toward them will cause a serious rift in our family. So far, my parents have not bought into the practice of shunning me (I'm neither Df'd or Da'd)But if I dare to take the initiative to help my nieces see the real truth, well, that will be the last straw (in their eyes).
Dan
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REASON WHY wt joned the un
by one inspeculation here:.
1.- un finally became tired of the wt seven head beast crap etc.
2.- wt could be of help to the un.
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Dan B
huh?
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WATCHTOWER SALES!
by Kent inwatchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
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Dan B
"Being a witness for the 7 years I was involved in alot of the organizations activities."
You think 7 years makes you an expert? I was in for 30 years, and there are others here who were in longer. So your boasting of 7 years is wasted here.
"The organization prints millions of copies of literature for the witnesses and for individuals seeking information "free"."
The information is not "free". When the publisher picks up his literature supply, he or she is expected to deposit a contribution in the box.(For expected contributions I refer you to a KM from 1995 which actually itemized the price of each item. For example a CD-Rom from the WT should exact a $100 "contribution") Perhaps other posters still have that KM and could quote from it. Furthermore, once these items are "placed", a plea for a donation is then required (separate and distinct from the literature, of course, for tax purposes). These contributions are then expected to be deposited in the box. So if everything is done as expected, this "free" literature is paid for twice.
"Absolutely no members of the organization receive a salary"
If I remember correctly, special pioneers receive money from the Society on a regular basis. (Although I seem to remember it not being very much)
"All donations are used in the building of new churches,cost of literature,church expenses i.e lights gas,and ministerial service."
Prove that.
"I always thought men of god should never pray on us as followers."
There is more than one way to "prey" on us as followers. The financial aspect is only one way. The WT Society is a master of this art.
"Think about this the next time the collection basket gets passed to you in your church."
Since my wife is Catholic, I have had to attend a few functions at a variety of Catholic churches. I was shocked to find that what I had been taught my whole life about how the collection plate is used in the Catholic church was not true. There were not large openings to let the change fall through to the floor. They didn't coerce you to contributing by intimidation (holding it in front of you until you donated). Yes, these were all things I was taught at the local KH. The fact was, that unless you made clear indication that you wanted to donate, the plate never even came down the row. I found this a lot less objectionable than a contribution box in every corner of the KH, and at the end of every row at a convention.
"And look at the vehicle your pastor or preacher is driving"
Seems to me the CO's are driving pretty nice cars, courtesy of the local brothers. Why don't you take a look at www.circuitleasing.com.
"Ask your preist what he claimed in taxes last year for his salary in the name of jesus"
When it comes to paying taxes (or not) the WT Society once again are experts at not paying Caesars things to Caesar. Why don't you examine the 1990 change to donations that happened in CAnada nad the US, and more recently in Australia.
"It just makes me angry when people try to blanket the real truth."
What is the truth that is being blanketed here?
Dan
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Best Excuses for Getting out of Meetings
by Xena inbeing pregnant worked really well for me!
lol i milked that puppy for all it was worth!
got to sit in the back room and nap with my feet up!
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Dan B
When I was still attending, my friend and I would leave during the Wt study, go have breakfast somewhere, and slip back in just as it was wrapping up. I remember the occasional Thursday nights slipping out for a beer, and making it back just in time for it to end. At that point, it was agony for both of us to attend those awfully boring meetings.
Dan
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WHO SURVIVED...."75"..?
by OUTLAW inwho survived..."1975"...,i`m just curious,how many of us,are there?those of us that lived though this,will know what i mean.
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Dan B
I was 12 years old. Despite all the hype, my family didn't really do anything differently. It came and went with little notice.
"Had 6 rifles and a cache of food in the woods along with 3 brothers from the cong, intent- SURVIVE the big 75 Armaggedon conflagration,
couldnt allow myself to be killed in the persecution because if I died and got resurrected...NO SEX (being as angels)
Had to get through in one piece just so I could know the mystery of woman."LOL!!
Dan
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Do JWs still believe the WT version of the 144000?
by nicolaou inthe society have taught for many years that only 144,000 individuals will have embraced true worship from the time when jesus (and presumably john the baptist six months before him) began his ministry in about 30 c.e.
when the great crowd began to be drawn in.. however, even a casual reading of the book of acts shows the phenomenal growth of christianity during the time of the apostles.
in colossians ch1 paul even makes the comment that the good news had at that point been preached to all creation that was under heaven.. in 64 c.e, there were so many christians in rome already that nero felt he could easily blame them for the destructive fire which had swept through the city.
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Dan B
I could never bring myself to explain why the 144,000 was to be taken literally, as explained by the WT, to people at the door. Remember the explaination? It was something like this: "Since the Lamb is mentioned in the singular in Rev 14:1, obviously the 144,000 is also a literal number."
Even as a gung-ho MS, I had a huge problem with this. Take a look at the verse. "And I saw, and look! the Lamb (symbolic, for Jesus is not an actual lamb) standing upon the mount Zion (symbolic place) and with him a 144,000 (literal?????) having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads (symbolic once again). In fact all three places where this number appears are surrounded with symbolism.
This verse is, as is the rest of Revelation, 100% symbolic. I believe that the number 144,000 is representative of a larger number, perhaps even a "great crowd" as mention in Rev 19:1.
Just my opinion...
Dan
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Critics
by abcde inits easy too criticize a religion.any person can do that.trash talking isnt accepted that well amongst the majority of people.why not find something better too offer people.now that would be a better thing too do.this board will probably fizzle out after a while.
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Dan B
Abcdef raises a good point. It is easy to criticize too much. I think there is a danger in being 100% negative, to the point of actually grabbing at straws to make the JWs look bad.
I have in mind the whole issue of the hidden pictures in JW literature. Sure, I've seen them too, but does this alone mean the WT society is run by Satan? How many businesses have employees that do stupid things (like putting these pictures in). I'm sure that's what happened, and it snuck by the half sleeping proof readers. Dwelling upon issues like this, I think anyway, doesn't help our credibility.
But back to the point... The JWs have enough faults which are valid, and if we stick to the serious legitimate problems, we will have much better success at helping people see the real truth.
Just my humble opinion... BTW, Abcdef, I hope you stick around here. I enjoy your posts.
Dan
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How long it took you to find out
by one inhow longo it took you to find out your mate was cheating you, kidding.
really how long it took you to find out the truth about the truth or at least to become really distrust about the whole thing, and why.. to start i just knew, by summer 1974, that big a was not comming on 1975. the oil embargo, nixon etc kept me worry for a while.
i even resigned a very lucrative and promising job to piooner.
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Dan B
When the old Revelation book came out in 1969 (I think) I remember not accepting the fact that the trumpet blasts of Revelation were fulfilled by assemblies in Cedar Point. That made no sense to me whatsoever. Oh ya, I forgot to mention, I was 6 years old at the time!!
Dan